Tuesday, May 27, 2014

June Gold/Silver Turn Dates

Gold spent most of May in a tightening triangle, finally breaking to the downside after Memorial Day.

There is a Jupiter 36° cycle on June 7 (a Saturday), which couples with Neptune turning retrograde the following Monday.

Jupiter and Saturn cycles give reliable multi-month turns for gold. With the break down from gold's triangle the likelihood is that a major low will be formed in June.

Gold Futures and Jupiter/Saturn Harmonics

The corresponding silver Jupiter 72° cycle (7 x natal return) occurs a week later on June 14, at the same time that a stunning nearly complete double pentagram is formed by 8 planets: Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Sun, Venus, previously discussed here. The Moon adds to the pentagram on June 15. Below is an overlay of the geocentric and heliocentric views on June 15, showing that 9 of the 10 double pentagram points are occupied. Gold's pentagram is shown in yellow, silver's in grey. (The Ascendant occupies the missing 10th point at 7:25am on the 15th.)

6/15/2014: 9 Planets Form Near-Complete Double Pentagram

The above configuration may impact multiple asset classes including the dollar and major indexes. Gold and silver turn dates are generally interchangeable, and because of the increased importance of the double pentagram, the 14th may be more important to gold than the 9th.

Adding to this, there is a geocentric Saturn-Venus opposition on the 13th and a heliocentric Mars-Saturn conjunction on the 14th.

Furthermore, June 16 will be exactly 3 Mars orbits from the October 2008 major gold low. (June 20 is 3 Mars orbits from the October 2008 silver low.) Gold reached a low of $681 in 2008, very close to the number of days in 1 Mars orbit (687 days). (Thanks to reader Chris for pointing out to me the importance of planetary orbital periods in price analysis.)

June gold/silver turn dates are given below.

June 1: Ceres turns direct

June 7: Gold Jupiter 36°
June 7: Geocentric Mercury turns retrograde
June 9: Geocentric Neptune turns retrograde

June 12-15: Double Pentagram involving 9 planets
June 13: Geocentric Saturn-Venus Opposition
June 14: Silver Jupiter 72° Natal Return
June 14: Mars-Saturn Conjunction

June 24: Uranus-Venus Conjunction
June 25: Geocentric Uranus-Mars Opposition Square Pluto

Gold and silver will have geocentric Jupiter 36°/72° harmonic crossings in early July.

79 comments:

  1. Gold spent the last 40TD's at around 1296.

    Sqrt 1296 = 36. 35^2 = 1225.

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  2. So after June 14 / early July you expect gold to rise quite a bit?

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    1. It's difficult to say, maybe I can make an assessment after it plays out. Let's see how far it drops.

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  3. ok no probs, i rember you saying may even go down to 1050 by june 14.

    Assessment after it plays out? isnt the point of astrological projections to predict before it happens?

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    1. You are asking me to project the rise after it bottoms out. I can only do one step at a time.

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    2. Hi platy, would you say your overall update would be june 14 being a possible lowest plunge point for metals, side drift till end of June then look for potential upside July and beyond as a speculation
      Cheers

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    3. I am expecting June 14 as the most likely date for a multi-month bottom. End of June is cyclicly important because of the June and December 2013 major lows. July 7 and 10 are the gold/silver geocentric Jupiter cycles. So any of these could be the actual lowest low. Maybe a strategy could be to add to longs at each of these dates. But I think June 14 is the most important.

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  4. Thanks Platy!
    When you say: "gold/silver geocentric Jupiter cycles"

    what is the importance of jupiter being geocentric for metals, does it simply mean a turning point or a change? or is it something more specific

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    1. Yes you are right, it just means turning point. In this case because of the importance of Jupiter cycles and because there are 4 of them within a few weeks of each other, some of them may be meaningless. The June 14 double pentagram is more important.

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  5. June 14 is a Saturday so will these effects occur on the following Monday?

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  6. Hey Platy, youve been doin this for a number of years now, obviously nothing is accurate but how often are these major turn dates had any real effect? would you say 7 times out of 10? from experience

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    1. Hard to say, but it seems that it goes through phases where they work great for a while, and then they don't work so great.

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    2. You can see from the chart above that Jupiter and Saturn are very reliable for multi-month turns, although the timing can be off.

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    3. Also gold/silver turn dates tend to work better than equities.

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  7. Hi platy
    Gold and Silver have been ticking up all week
    Now at 1261 in Hong Kong.
    If its already going up, then the weekend turn would be down.
    Does this make sense?
    kind regards
    bob

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    2. This turn is too important to be a minor high. I stick with my projection that it is a major low

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    3. It looks like you are right Bob and it reminded me of a rare occurrence when a major turn date can be the peak between a double bottom or low between a double top. I have not seen this for a long time but you can see an example here when the 2000 Beast Cycle was a low between a double top:
      http://planetforecaster.blogspot.com/2011/11/13-year-cycle.html

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  8. Hi Platy...you mean to say gold could drop to 1240 levels once again post the 14 June turn date? Thanks!

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    1. Yes very possible. We still have June 24 Uranus-Venus conjunction; Gann 360° June 30; gold/silver geocentric Jupiter cycles July 7/july 10, any of which could give another major low. Also gold and silver are hitting some major resistance areas here.

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  9. Hi Platy, its Friday. Yesterday's low volume's just a bull trap.this pattern seems to resemble pure FOMC week. I am watching gold drop today and most of next week towards 1200

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  10. Hi Mathew
    Are you just watching , or are you short?
    What about the bounce on Monday you mentioned.?
    Now is the most difficult part of trading for me..... when to sell my long position.
    regards
    bob

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  11. just realized we had heliocentric mercury into sag on the 9th which is nearly always the big gold mover runs to June 20 and the markets have the gann turn n the 21 so I would look to June 20 as a key date along with Platys 16th ish date

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  12. Hi Platy,

    Has Silver's natal chart changed now with Kitco's new 4 sessions fixing?

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    1. That's an interesting thought. You know what that would do? It would align silver and gold's harmonics to be almost exactly the same.

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    2. Ops...can you please detail how and why? Both their natal chart aren't the same timing. Silver is said to have a 40 units cycle vs gold's 36

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    3. Because it would put Jupiter at almost exactly the same place on the natal chart, which is what I (usually) base the harmonics on.

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  13. Kitco Fills Impending Silver Fix Void - Jun 5 2014 5:50PM

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  14. Bradley turn one month ahead on 14 June. What might be affected?

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    1. I have July 16 for the next Bradley date.

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    2. It sometimes happen one month earlier or later. July 16 was supposed to be one of the major three Bradley turn for this year and it seems to reflect SPX hence a month or so for SPX to spike?

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  15. i have a top now at 1286 with tehn a target o 1177 and if it goes through this it should be 963 i suppose. what is your thought on that platy? Regards

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    1. Hi Rein out,
      Would it be possible to share your estimation dates for these numbers?
      Thanks

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    2. Mahendra had sell rally till mid June before going down to 1178

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    3. i think around 16-17th of july. but i am NOT sure!! do not take this as trading advice!

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    5. http://caldaro.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/europe-potential-market-turbulance-ahead-by-mid-late-2014/

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  16. Coming week, we have the FOMC meet on the 18th. I really doubt gold/silver will do a lot till mid-day Wednesday, US time. If there is a definite change in trend, it has to be dictated by the FOMC decision and should unfold Wednesday onwards.

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    1. It seems that way in the past, so now that is factored into gold price, wonder what might be new to shake the tree. The grand cross came and went 'unnoticed' so this double pentagrams might too.

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  17. Hi Platy....any thoughts here on gold after seeing the price action in the Asian and European session so far today? Seems like the tension in Iraq is over-ruling any other factor right now. Thanks!

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    1. im still yet to see or be convinced financial astrology has any correlation of effects on markets, ill keep following this forum and hope i do tho cause i do want to beleive but have not seen anything significant yet, ill give this double pentagram thing until end of week to see if there has been any major change

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    2. Hi Adam, guess we are on the same boat. Having followed WDGant's and Martin Armstrong's work, astro seems to guide the macron while EW offers the confirmatorial elements. I am a lesser novice on this astro thingy but being a maths nerd, it somehow arrested my attention.

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    3. Dear Mathew and Adam,
      If this was my blog and I went to a lot of trouble with analysis and testing,and you guys posted your skeptical comments, you would have hurt my feelings.
      Just my view.
      Bob

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    4. Let them think bob. I know astrology works. I make my own astro-levels. Different then the ones from platy and they do work. Very WELL actually!

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    5. No hurt feelings, it is what it is. I don't have all the answers and have always said this method should not be used alone. Astrology is a huge field and this is just a tiny piece of it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and from what I can tell the same is true with any method, astro or not.

      For now it looks like we have a high in for gold/silver.

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    6. Sorry for your feelings Bob, but really, shouldn't we be open and evaluate matters on a complimentary and supplementary basis? Astro as I know is a guide like many things. There is no sure thing else we would have gold flowing out our ears.

      Anyway, I ready Chinese Astro and try to understand Vedic Astro too.

      Btw...Chinese astro says metals are afraid of fire so metals would be strong on 18 and 19. But on the week of 24 June, fire will burn metals. I am watching and having observed the past, chances are good that metals will fall next week. Hope this week it would rise enough to cushion next week's fall. Just my opinion.

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    7. I have no problem with criticism as long as it is respectful.

      Remember that gold's low came as expected. I'm not sure how you can look at the graph above and not see a correlation, even if the timing is not perfect. We need a little more time to see if June 14 worked or not.

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    8. Would you like to share your work, Reinout? I guess everybody here would love to see your methods. Or do you have your blog for us to read?

      And by the way Matthew, any link where I can have a look for the fire and metals you have mentioned?

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    9. Rajan, there are many Chinese Astrology sites that offer five element calendar. Just google and find one that suits you.

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  18. Month end is cyclical low as well as quarterly options expiry.

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  19. Merriman' page said ' However, as pointed out above, Mercury is retrograde now (June 7-30). This is a notorious time for fake outs, as information tends to be overwhelming, and often contradictory to investors. Technical levels of support and resistance are more often unreliable now, and cycle patterns are subject to bizarre movements that do not conform to the norm.'

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    1. Just to make sure, you are saying that gold will drop to 1162 at the end of June?

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    2. What? Nothing is for sure. I said within sight. Don't take this as trading advise and we should do our due diligence. If its for sure, I would be so rich and busy doing all my things with no time here.

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  22. Hi Platy, will this change gold's natal chart?

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5a22abb6-f6c2-11e3-8ed6-00144feabdc0.html#axzz34zynzcfZ

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    1. Why should I change it? It's working perfectly.

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    2. It's not known yet so you can't change anything. It will only be discussed on 7 July to consensus possible fixing procedure.

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    1. you mean gold will bottom on June 29/30 and then rise again towards July 6? since you said happy loading..care to explain, you seem to think today's rise in gold is nothing more than a short covering rally which is to sell into??

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    2. Most sites have said the shorts were ran over fast. IMO its a sell rally as price overshot BB.

      According to Greg Schnell of Stockchart, longer term investors should not be impacted by the short term movements and the market made new highs this morning confirming their position.

      We have our design our own entry/exit plan according to our risk appetites.

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  24. Evidently, the FED Chief has fallen to double pentagram radiation and Mercury retrograding by COMMUNICATING the wrong things that woke up the commodity bulls. A one day affair that had all shorts scrambling and might just come down grinding down towards month end.....Impulse wave? I think not. Mercury retrograde means MIS-COMMUNICATION, sending wrong signals to the market but for those who knows, sell on rally.

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  25. Hi Platy.....any thoughts here on gold and silver after this stellar move?Thanks!

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    1. Next turn date June 24 Uranus-Venus conjunction, resistance 1325.75, 1333.3.

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    2. Platy, various indicators potentially support these numbers. Lets see how it pans out today. Should be a breather today / profit taking day. Never know what would happen in Iraq over the weekend with 300 military advisers parked there. But to balance our emotions, read Dan Norcini's blog brings one back to earth.

      Yes, you had reminded us of 24 and 30, then July 7 and 10.
      Summer officially starts tomorrow. SPX should get the last spark or has it? Interesting times. I would rather watch charts in Yuan for Major 4 CANNOT go below Major 1.

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    3. Hey Matt, do you think the meeting on July 7 will provide some suprising information which would thrust gold upwards,since gold seems to only react on new tht is a suprise as the whole market is not aware of the reality

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    4. Matthew, do you mind posting a chart of gold in Yuan to see what kind of timeframe you are referring to when you said wave 4 cannot overlap wave 1? Thanks

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    5. July 10 is 377 CD from last 28 June's low. Gold failed to BO 1325 and has begun new daily low cycle. 1285-1273 would support well else trouble brewing.

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  26. Adam...the 77 thingy is just the beginning though the basis differs from slv as both demands come from dif sources; industry vs hedging. A wider fixing consensus is always better from active financial centers incl the east. All the while it has been the west for legacy reason incl that of Rothschild et al. The price action after July 7 would be telling much or speculating much. My chart says the cantilever must finally ends on 6 July and after that all PM boats must rise. I have to believe in my maths after all I had published (in a journal) for the top shortly before it happened.
    Sorry, dont know how to post my chart here.

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  27. Adam...you may like to dig into this; http://www.mmacycles.com/weekly-preview/mma-comments-for-the-week/mma-comments-for-the-week-beginning-june-23,-2014/

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  28. Mercury leave Sagi into Capri while Earth leaves Gemini into Cancer. Capri and Cancer prefer surety so......it might be the start of daily down cycle and we should watch 29/6 till 6/7 if we have buying plans. My cantilever chart suggest new wave would lift all boats after 6/7.....in view of holidays, 30/6 - 3/7 might just offer another buying periods.

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  29. On July 1, the sun will be 180* to its natal position. Possible CIT likely.

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  30. Hi Platy,

    Excellent work!

    Early Jun 2014 bottom was Jupiter 180° from Nov 2008 bottom which is related to the pentagram as you presented.

    As far as I can tell, market geometry pointed out that late-Jun 2013 bottom is a major bottom from where a major advance should come. I mean, an advance that can be easily spotted in a monthly chart.

    Late-Dec 2013 bottom was also confirmed by market geometry as well as early-Jun 2014 bottom.

    Best regards,
    Nadiel

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