Monday, July 15, 2013

Planetary Prices and DOW Longitudes, Part II

Reader Nate previously gave us some insight into Jay's method of forecasting prices by showing us the historic DOW prices when the planets were at the same positions as May 21, 2013. This work helped us to see that these specific planetary positions are often indicative of trend changes in the DOW.

Nate has emailed me with an update showing a similar analysis using the July 15 planetary positions. Nate is seeing a lot of heliocentric pentagonal alignments for this date.

From Nate:
"The analysis works like this. when one has a date which is considered to be a candidate for a turning point, then is inputting that date on the computer code and then the code returns all the distances in degrees for the various outer planets that Cowan recommends to look at in his book and the whole idea is to see whether such dates correspond to points in time in the past where there have been major turning points. so, for example, from the charts sent, if we focus just on 15-Jul-2013, we have very important alignments with the low of March 2009, the major low of 1974, the high of 1987 just before the crash and other important dates which turned out to be turning points.

The vertical orange/yellowish coloured lines are drawn at the dates indicated by Cowan in his pentagonal book to mark the 16-17yr cycles (pentagonal harmonic of Uranus). Then, with letters in the legend of the charts I indicate the planets. Hence, A=Uranus, B=Saturn, C=Jupiter. With numbers I indicate how many degrees, so for instance A18 gives you all the points in time where sidereal Uranus was 18 degrees away (and its multiple) from 15th July 2013 reference date. A180 gives all the points back in time where Uranus was 180 degrees away from the reference date etc. The same thing with Saturn and Jupiter. Hence, C390 means Jupiter making sidereal 360 degrees PLUS one additional zodiac sign (additional 30 degrees). If a legend has got AB, that is to indicate synodic cycle, as opposed to sidereal. Hence, for example, when you see AB144 located in 1987 it indicates that there is a cycle alignment of the reference date of 15th of July 2013 with the 1987 crash when we look at synodic Uranus-Saturn cycle 144 degrees back. The various degrees for the synodic Uranus-Saturn, for example 135, 144, 180 are those indicated as relevant by Cowan in his book, in the same way for example also Jupiter 360+30=390dg is taken by Cowan to represent Beast cycle when looking at it in terms of Jupiter sidereal.

The colouring is employed to allow the user (observer) of the chart to check whether the a selected reference date (usually a point in the future, in our particular case 15th of July has been selected) resonates with some major turning points in the past, when using fixed, selected degrees which have been recommended by Cowan in his book to be important for the occurrence of turning points.

The overall message of the charts presented is that around mid-late July 2013, there are lots of resonances with major turning points which occurred in the past, including 1987 crash, the lows of 1974 and March 2009, the peak of 2000 etc."




64 comments:

  1. Classic Gann applied to QQQs. With all the price squaring that I have documented and summarize below, QQQs topped on Friday IMO. I re checked the chart angles (found an error in my description) and proved every angle mathematically as below.

    The chart of 4 planetary vectors from all time and extreme highs and lows and the first trade date:

    http://screencast.com/t/NhcfrsneKW

    Now the math:

    http://screencast.com/t/2chItKf88

    You might note the many aspects that are formed by price alone relative to its prior location and Jupiter alone relative to its prior location. It is also difficult (but worthwhile) to "reconcile" the charted vectors to the mathematically derived vectors. I believe I could have gotten the "Velocity Jupiter/Price" much closer to perfect whole numbers had I refined it to the hour of the price extreme, not just the day.

    As mentioned before, price squaring does not guarantee a CIT but, that's a lot of squaring on Friday's price. I'd be disappointed in a new high even though futures remain very close to one. Wouldn't be the first time.

    IMO the highs in SPX and DJIA occurred in May and only tech stocks rendevous with squaring Jupiter have held the indices up. That is behind us as of last Friday.

    Needless to say I expect a down week in all indices even thought DJIA and SPX are right next to their all time highs and Comp is near a new recovery (from 2000) high. Big.

    http://screencast.com/t/8lJI4V549SA

    Jim

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  2. **we have very important alignments with the low of March 2009, the major low of 1974, the high of 1987 just before the crash and other important dates which turned out to be turning points.**

    If you go back to 4D, the balancing of time and price TRAVELED is inherent in the Pythagorean application in PTVs. But PTVs do not tell you WHEN a price trend has ended. You have to infer it from its mathematic/geometric relation between adjacent and prior PTVs. So, I like relating planetary degrees traveled to price....a classic Gann process explained best by Patrick Mikula in Gann's Scientific Methods Unveiled.

    Cowan pays lip service to "Price by Degree" via Cycletimer2 but his application is Gann 101 at best. It's almost worthless IMO. I use it but not so much. Far better is Mikula's Market Warrior which allows inverted price by degree and anchoring planetary angles to prior extreme highs and lows.

    All this gives you a matching of price velocity to planetary time velocity. And that's a dimension deeper than simply trying to see what occurred X degrees of Jupiter ago. Rather, you're using two variables, both price and time, to find true Gann squaring.

    In sum, square both price and time and not just time alone (which is really not squaring).

    Just some thoughts,

    Jim

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  3. Jim,

    thank you for your comments, which I find all relevant.

    Gann is much about price-time squaring as you say, but in my case I just wanted to replicate / experiment with ideas presented by Cowan in his pentagonal book and having fun writing the code etc.

    Bradley Cowan has demonstrated through his books that he is a true stock market master forecaster of the same league of Gann himself, at least in my opinion. Implementing some of the ideas / recommendations exposed in his books is for me similar to that of a student trying to learn, slowly slowly, from a good teacher.

    Having said that, I think your comments are fair and made me realize that the focus of Bradley's pentagonal cycle book is not price-time squaring, which is instead a Gann classic. But I still find the book extremely well written and fascinating.

    Nate

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  4. Nice work, Nate. I have been working on a detailed analysis of the same kind but going back only to to the 1966 top and will share my findings on my blog when it is completed. One important consideration is to limit the orb to a tight one. I usually use one degree as otherwise you get too many hits with the outer planets which move very slowly.


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  5. Jay, thank you very much for your comments and I am looking forward to see your findings on your blog when ready. Yes indeed I have restricted the orb to one degree only in my computer code. It can be noticed that the coloring in the chart is more extended for Uranus (for example A18 cycle etc) than it is for Saturn (B) and when looking for example at Jupiter (C390 cycle denoted in green), there is just a touch of green coloring there. This is due exactly to the fact, as you correctly noted, that the slower moving planets tend to station at the same degree for longer, hence orb must be tight. In my code, in reality, I have used one degree orb for all planets (that is both slower and faster moving ones).

    Nate

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  6. Mr Ross. Thank you for your work.....it is a masterpiece! I shall appreciate particulars of your blog, if available.

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  7. The NASDAQ Composite, Dow Jones Industrial Average, and S&P 500 cash indices have all hit new intraday highs today. There is no longer a divergence among the broad based equity indices.

    Onward we march!

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    1. It may only be a few days to a week worth of upside. I do think This is getting ready to turn over... Be watchful..

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  8. Will the uranus/vensus H/Opp, ADD or Take away any of this upward market momentum, interested reader?

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    1. The Uranus-Venus opposition should be more important to metals than to the general markets. The next major event for the markets this month is the July 22 geocentric Jupiter-Mars conjunction.

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    2. Platy, I think you are unlikely to see more than a minor pullback into July 22 in the US equities. The more important date is the heliocentric Mars/Jupiter conjunction that falls on 17th August. I am planning on posting a study of that date in my blog over the weekend.

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    3. That's exactly what I'm hoping for Jay. If the 22nd shows a low it gives pretty high odds that Aug 17 will be the top. Looking forward to your post!

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    4. That's a plausible scenario, Platy. I would also watch how the market behaves on 7/31/13 FOMC decision. Earth crosses 308' at same time.

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    5. Good catch, thanks Beanz!

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  9. The 7/19/13 appears to show uranus/venus.

    thanks Platy

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  10. I felt to share todays blog update with you, most importantly the 2nd chart shown below from the link provided.

    http://tfaat.blogspot.ca/2013/07/18-jul-2013.html

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    1. Rotrot,

      I saw you put this up last time, wondering what your reasons are for these comments?

      Thanks, Chris

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  12. From a MM perspective, SP500 is headed to 1875 by end of this year.

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    1. Hmmmmm, so hard to find ANY bears out there ATM. Martin Armstrong's ECM has a minor turn date is 7th August. In 1987 it marked the 87 crash to the day.

      Will he do it again. Also his computer modelling shows a dramatic increase in volatility beginning next week.

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  13. Patrick Mikula's, Market Warrior software has the Swing Projector currently warning of both a large and small top pivot for 7/22. Tomorrow is also a full moon, which is bearish if coupled with other aspects, such as the moon being at its max. S Declination and was perigree on 7/21.

    Mars 180 sits at 1699 with Neptune 120 at 1713. The (inverse) of the North Node is at 1696.

    In addition the Dewey Cycle flags a top.

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  14. SP500 is following a nice PARALLEL ellipse that suggests as top around 1712. Can hit this in 1-2 sessions.

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  15. Every Jupiter-Mars conjunction/opposition since March '09 has caught a reversal. Today's conjunction looks like it will be a high so we should get a pull back here but I don't expect a deep correction - this rally is not finished.

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  16. Platy do you have any important aspects for around mid october? i've reached that time frame with a couple systems for a potential top. thanks for all the work, love the site.
    SP

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    1. I haven't looked closely that far out, but here is what I see just quickly:

      Oct 3 is a Uranus-Earth conjunction square Pluto and Jupiter. There is a Nasdaq Ceres 72° and Saturn 18° cycle near here.

      Oct 7 DOW Uranus 18°

      Oct 15 DOW Ceres 32°

      Lunar eclipse Oct 18 - Gann thought lunar eclipses are more important than solar.

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  17. What happened to all of Cowan's super important reversal's trend change dates in May time that I thought was to reverse the market?

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    1. I explained here even before the May 22 top that it would not be the final top.

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    2. I know you did & read that post!
      My post was directed towards Cowan & his dates. I assumed he reads the posts on this site.

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    3. Cowan has never commented here as far as I know.

      He does say "Beast Cycle" when he talks about the August Jupiter-Mars conjunction in the book, so I think he considers that another possibility for the top.

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    4. Thanks Platy for your comments. I own his book & don't remember ever reading that he suggested an August top.

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    5. I didn't either but a couple of readers pointed it out to me - page 127. Subtle, but it's there.

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    6. Platy just looked & you are correct it's on page 127 7 very subtle.

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    7. Cowan is good, but no one is perfect.
      Maybe the Fed has overpowered or overpowering the 13 year cycle that was supposed to top in May to July time frame. Maybe the 50 year jubilee marked a shift in the 13 year cycle. Recall that the recent alignment worked best from the June 1949 starting point, the previous 50 year jubilee point.

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    9. While esoteric material is interesting, sometimes fascinating and always entertaining.The reality is that very few (probably no more than a handful) people make money trading astro stuff and cycles etc. And those that do, are probably making it more from traditional technical analysis. Traditional tech analysis outperforms.

      If anyone tells you that they have made sustained profits from this material, as to see evidence.

      Not having a go at this other sites. Just stating a fact that sustained profits dont come from this material.

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    10. As I have always said, this is just a piece of the puzzle and should be used only in conjunction with other methods.

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    11. The May top was a nice trade. Of course most of my June Vix calls expired 2 days before the last big smash.

      I have to use technical analysis to time entry and exit points; taking profits or stopped for losses.

      It's almost impossible to short into these parabolic moves. So many ellipses are going vertical into the cycle dates. It's really difficult to pick a top in real-time.

      If we get an engulfing bar or a hard down day, that's a good setup. Have to place a stop.

      I'm starting to think this is a runaway move into August though.

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    12. The weekly stoch. Has always served as a guide to these turn dates for me. It did so when the weekly turned down practically the same day as the turn date and turned up 2 weeks after the bottom of June 24th, which can be refined when a daily chart is used. I think Astro analysis although Im no expert helps very well. Keep up the good work Platy... 1 + 1 = 11 (which is better than 2) LOL.... ;)

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  18. That´s right, platy.

    @apanalis

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  19. By the way, remember buffee-Peggy? She wrote more than a year ago that the Major High would ocur in july 2013!

    @apanalis

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  20. I have a new blog posting which analyzes the Cash S&P 500 Index using Gann Angles and projects a top in mid-August.

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    1. Great Jay - lots of confirmation that this is the date to watch. Thanks a lot!

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  21. Nice drop today as expected. If SPX continues lower which I think is likely, it should find strong support around 1665.

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    1. Tomorrow is a Saturn 18° cycle, the same aspect that gave the June 6 low.

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  22. Platy,

    So do you expect this decline to continue into tomorrow morning and then reverse?

    Thank you so very much for this blog and for sharing your knowledge with your readers!

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    1. I think there's a good possibility of it. The turn dates are +/- 1 day so it could go into Friday.

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    2. Or it's possible it bottomed already today but I don't think so.

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  23. There is a Neptune-Venus opposition Friday, the same aspect that started the gold rally on June 28 (although it was 2 days off), and that has consistently been a major trend changer for gold. Gold has some strong resistance at around 1375, so if it rallies up to around there in the next few days it should be a good short.

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  24. platy, how do i email you some of my analysis? I want to make an arguement that the top is in oct, not aug, but don't want to publicly publish it. Thanks

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    1. You can leave your email in a comment and I will contact you. I'd love to see your argument!

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  25. Merriman thinks the drop could continue into Monday.

    "It is possible that rising markets spill over until the end of the month when a Grand Sextile (six-pointed hexagram, Star of David, or Diamond) forms on July 29."

    Link

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    1. Hi Platy,

      I understood it as rising markets continuing to July 29...

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    2. Thanks MP, reading it again I think you're right.

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    3. ICE cycle date starts tomorrow to Aug 2nd.

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  26. Looks like silver/gold is putting in a low today. Silver is at the bottom of its trend channel.

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    1. another high would give us an ABC pattern and make a daily divergence with its STOCH. This would then allow for lower prices to come for GOLD... So your low call today looks good..

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