Sunday, February 10, 2013

S&P Planetary Price and the Jupiter-Mars Cycle

W.D. Gann was known to use planetary positions to predict future price behavior. We explored this method briefly here using Ceres' longitudinal position to attempt to predict platinum's price.

Now I would like to use the same method with the S&P and the Jupiter-Mars cycle.

In this method, 0° Aries is assigned the price $0, and $30 is added to each new sign, until $360 is reached at 0° Aries again. Therefore, the point 0° Aries can represent the prices $0, $360, $720, etc. 0° Taurus can take the prices $30, $390, $750, and so on. The values for 0° of each sign is shown in the chart below. This chart can in theory be used for any asset (sometimes with minor adjustment).
Planetary Price

If we wish to determine the price associated with a planet at, for example, 13° Gemini, then we would add $13 to the prices at 0° Gemini, to arrive at the possible prices $73, $433, $793, $1153, or $1513.

The S&P made a major low on March 6, 2009. In our previous analysis of this low we saw that there was a heliocentric Jupiter-Mars conjunction the following day near the Nasdaq's 72° harmonic.
3/7/2009: Heliocentric Jupiter-Mars Conjunction


The conjunction occurred at 8° Aquarius. This gives a planetary price of $308, $668, $1028, etc. The S&P's low on the 6th was $667, just $1 from one of these possible prices.

On August 26, 2009, Mars at 23° Taurus was square Jupiter at 23° Aquarius, giving a price of $1043, $3 more than the reversal high 2 days later.

8/26/2009: Heliocentric Jupiter-Mars Square
On November 4, 2009, Mars at 29° Gemini was trine Jupiter at 29° Aquarius. Jupiter's planetary price at 29° Aquarius is $1049, $2 more than the closing price that day.

11/4/2009: Heliocentric Jupiter-Mars Trine

It is not always this easy however.

On May 1, 2011 (a Sunday), there was a geocentric Jupiter-Mars conjunction at 22° Aries near the Nasdaq's 72° harmonic, and the following day the S&P topped at 1371.
5/1/2011: Geocentric Jupiter-Mars Conjunction
In this case, the nearest planetary prices convert to $1080 + $22 = $1102 and $1440 + $22 = $1462, both of which are far from the price that day. So we look to another sign to give us the proper price. Capricorn has a starting price of $1350. Adding $22 gives $1372, only $1 from the high of the S&P that day. Note that the position 22° Capricorn is square to the position 22° Aries, so sometimes this type of adjustment is necessary.

There are many more examples like this, demonstrating that the S&P is attracted to planetary prices created by Jupiter-Mars aspects, although sometimes it does not work.

Today (Sunday, February 10) Jupiter at 17° Gemini is square Mars at 17° Pisces. Jupiter's planetary price at this location is $1517. The S&P closed at $1517.93 on Friday.

2/10/2013: Heliocentric Jupiter-Mars Square

51 comments:

  1. Could this work with 72 and 18 degrees as well?

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    1. This method is independent of the harmonics. Sorry for the confusion.

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  2. Superb analysis. Great insights. Thanks for all the effort.

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  3. I was doing the same analysis today by reading Mikula Patrick's book.

    Thanks for all the effort Platy!! really appreciate your work

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    1. Great - please let me know if you have further insights!

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  4. Does this latest occurance on Friday at 1517 signal something meaningful, perhaps the end of a sequence or even a turning point, based on the work you are doing?

    Thank you in advance.

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    1. Yes, Jupiter-Mars aspects often are responsible for turns, which is why I study them closely.

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  5. Nice catch, Platy. But honestly, I have always been a bit skeptical about this method. If the S&P 500 somehow reaches 1538 this week, then aren't we going to say that it corresponds to 8 Cancer, which is opposite Pluto, square with Uranus and in a triangle with Saturn and Neptune?
    If we use 10 planets and include the squares and oppositions to it, then we have up to 40 points/prices that come into play at a given moment. I would be curious to know: how often does the market close on or near one of these planet points? And whenever it does so, how often does it turn out to be a real top or bottom? Has anybody tried to do that research?

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    1. Thanks, I have the same concerns with this method and would be curious about others' experience as well.

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    2. When I have some time to spare I might try to do some research on it.
      What would you suggest to use, daily closing prices or daily highs/lows (or both)?
      Heliocentric planet positions, including squares and oppositions to them.
      What about the new dwarf planets? Markus Rose seems to be using them with good results...

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    3. I don't really have much to suggest - this is a brand new area for me. I think both geocentric & heliocentric can be used.

      I don't know anything about the new dwarf planets, but now you have me curious!

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    4. Respectfully disagree. Dwarf planets and centaurs are fun to watch for personal effects, yes. But stretched for financial astro, imho. But I have only been watching for 5 years. Sometimes Eris [my favorite] has a coincident effect, mostly not. Yeah, last Friday there was a half kite with Eris, Sun and Haumea. The midpoint of today's Sun Sedna square is opposite the midpoint of the Pluto Rahu square.
      Every single day there are 12 esoteric reasons for a CIT with minors. Good luck.

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    5. Re: dwarf planets.
      Here is his latest article, which lists the dwarf planets he considers important for financial astrology: http://www.rosecast.com/ma2013.htm
      It would be interesting to see how these planets work with Cowan's pentagonal cycle approach.

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    6. I have humbly watched this planetary harmonic phenom for years, geocentric only. Squares and oppositions must not be overlooked. I find it works, sometimes. When it does work, however, I find the price point is shown [after the fact] to be a price magnet, not necessarily a turning point. Indeed, it could be a continuation point. A lot depends on the sign the subject planets are in, as well as the signs of the aspected planets. As well as the general milieu. Like will Pluto in Capricorn just simply dominate everything and offset, or diminish, other astro things?
      This occasion, however, IMHO, is a perfect "test case." Mostly because Mars, Mercury, Chiron and Neptune have all made a stellium in delusionary Neptune ruled dreamy Pisces. Subjectively speaking, I don't think you can find a better shot at a bubble top, at least for a while. Of course, a major Neptune-Pluto issue whether we have a Free Market, or not...BWDIK?

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  6. platy,
    Good morning, Great work, one simple question though--- what happens then once the price is achieved??? does the market fall or this is the high and if so for how long??
    thanks,
    vick

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    1. It could go either way, but Jupiter-Mars aspects often are the cause of reversals.

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  7. I would love to hear something from Jay.

    According to his DOW chart I supposed we go higher until somewhen in mid to latter part of March, eventually even into April.
    Then the choppy building of the tops starts.

    But I understand when Jay has not the necessary time.
    Same for me. 190h a month job + dog education + spouse + farm.

    Patience is the name of the game.

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  8. Regarding Legatus meeting: I think this one is one of those (rare) that will not bring anything useful.

    Although there are some markets which eventually have topped last week or recently (i.e. DAX and da pope cancels exaclty right now his job - pretty strange, aside of other internationa markets) - so far I'm not convinced of anything trustworthy.

    I'm back to Jays DOW chart - which so far is the best I came across last 4 years.

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  9. Platy, please correct me if i am wrong, does that mean 1517 should be at least an interim top for the wave 4 to commence before spx goes to new high? what area are you looking at for this correction? (if it ever comes)

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    1. I think the best I can say about it right now is that it makes sense that 1517 was hit at the time of this Jupiter-Mars square, and if there is some sort of correction this would be a sensable place for it. Sorry I can't be more helpful than that.

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    2. Thank you Platy. Really appreciate your analysis and help.

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  10. thank you Platy for the analysis. Again, very interesting spin, which divides, into yet another aspect for research. numbers are the numbers.

    Its so important, for people to realize that the sharing of the information, especially this newly formed synthesis, offers the kick start for others. Its so important, just to realize, and foremost respect.

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  11. Fwiw, I just did a little test using the S&P data since early 2011, and considering 10 heliocentric planet positions for each day.
    The average S&P close is 13.2 degree of arc away from closest conjunction with one of the planets. But days that turned out to be at least a 7 day highs or lows, were on average only 10 degree of arc away from a conjunction.
    So, there seems to be some promise in this method, but more testing would be needed.
    If you also consider squares and oppositions to planets, then the average distance to nearest planet aspect is only 3.9 degree of arc, but that doesn't differ from normal expectation (I tested with random closing prices and 3.9 was the typical average)

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  12. Platy,

    If you want to visually see aspects between planets in relation to prices, consider overlaying prices on an annual diagram. The Annual Diagram was invented by the German astrologer Reinhold Ebertin. The diagram plots the trajectory of planets (longitudes) along a vertical axis and time along the horizontal axis. I have adapted the method to visually see when planets are aspected for any type of aspect.

    Briefly, here is how you would do this in Microsoft Excel. Plot open/high/low/close prices as a candllestick chart against time using the primary (left) axis for price. Now prepare your planetary data. Let's say you want to plot geocentric Mars and Jupiter and you are interested in 90 degree aspects. You would take the longitudes of Mars and plot MOD(MarsAngle, 90) on the secondary axis. Similarly, you would plot MOD(JupiterAngle, 90) on the secondary axis. When there is a square aspect, the Mars and Jupiter lines would intersect on the chart. If you have a price high or low on a date in the vicinity of the square aspect, you can read off the difference between the pivot and the intersection point and check if it is a multiple of 90 degrees.

    You will need to adjust your plot when the modulus of the angle wraps around 0 degrees or 90 degrees. This is easy to do if you plot each 0-90 degree segment as a separate curve.

    You can enhance the plot to show other planetary lines and even pentagram points. The pentagram vertices will show up as fixed horizontal lines in the chart.

    With some VBA programming and some form controls on the chart sheet, I have been able to automate the drawing of the chart making the date range, heliocentric/geocentric choice, and the aspect configurable. I will post some images in the next few days to show you what the chart looks like.

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    1. Thanks so much Jay - we are so lucky to have your contributions here!

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    2. Hi Jay,
      Greatly appreciate all your work.

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    3. Hi all,

      Instead of plotting MOD(MarsAngle,90), you can add the relevant multiple of 360 to draw it directly around the prices. E.g. for the S&P you would use (1080 + MOD(MarsAngle,90)) , (1170 + MOD(MarsAngle,90)) and so on...
      By the way , it is possible to call SwissEph directly from within Excel. That's much quicker than preparing planet data and copying them over. See: http://www.iol.ie/~geniet/eng/archaeocosmoprocedures.htm or http://www.astrotexte.ch/sources/swexls.html (this one is in German but you can download the "orbit.xls", which gives you working example that you can tweak in any way you want)

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  13. 666 for Greece..

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-12/greek-economy-grinds-halt-new-construction-implodes-666

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    1. Interesting number...
      It is truly heartbreaking to see what is happening to such a beautiful country... and to know that it is only a prelude to what we have in store here in the U.S.

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  14. All this analysis is very nice and i think it i great stuff that we have here, but and heres the but, HOW DO WE TRADE it. At the end of the day there's no point having a sniper having gun if he cant hit a target. Otherwise its for show.

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    1. It's a good question, and at this moment it may be academic, but it is certainly another piece of the puzzle and Gann used it successfully so hopefully with some experience we can make use of this.

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    2. Great point unknown.
      It's nice analysis but if you can't make winning trades from it, then it's just nice analysis for academics to discuss.

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    3. I might add at this point that Gann was the biggest red herring in my opinion in the investment community, his analysis and book were well timed before the emergence of the computer and algos. His TTTA book is a genius book no doubt but its genius is not in the method but in the fact that he created a puzzle so vast and so complex that it achieved its 1 goal. To bamboozle a mind and stimulate a mind in such a way that it detracts from the simplicities of 5th grade mathematics.

      Just my $0.02

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    4. Following on id like to see a Gann method applied to a real time trade, from entry to exit. Not price levels not the sq of 9, not planetary prices, a real time trade gann style. Yes someone might mention the "wheat" trade even someone like olga morales who knows so much about gann cannot actually show you how he traded hence that why she sells his paraphernalia.
      people claim to know what gann did. The fact is no one knows, not even his son.

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    5. To find practical usage is not easy indeed. Here is something I found in my little study on last two years of S&P.
      IF:
      1) today's S&P close is within 2 degrees of a gann planetary price (conjunctions only, heliocentric)
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      2) today's high is a 4 day high (or 4 day low)
      ..then there is a 50% chance that today high (or low) will not be broken within the next three trading days. In other words, 50% chance that it turns out to be a top (or a bottom in case of a 4 day low). This happened 19 times out of 38 cases since 2011. I have found no way to tell whether it will be a major top or bottom, so it may only have use for daytrading.

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  15. lunatictrader, I have written wrapper functions in VBA for the Swiss Ephemeris functions that calculate planetary positions. The issue with drawing planetary price lines is that you never know how many you are going to need and what multiples to use. Sometimes multiples of 360 work and sometimes multiples of 90 work. I have been content to focus on planetary time and use other methods to project price.

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  16. With respect, the objective POV is only part of the puzzle. An important part, but not the Grail, by itself.
    IMHO, one needs to put the planets and their transits and their aspects in some context.
    Add some art to the dry science.
    Want an example?
    Look at this stellium in Pisces.
    One could say that all this international liquidity pumping and wishy-washy hopey-dreamy completely trumps every bit of bad news [and there is a fair amount.]
    Chiron is separating from Neptune, but Mercury will retrograde and almost hit delusional Neptune again.
    Expect things to be more confusing than usual. [Ha. Yes, that is no help whatsover. Sorry. Maybe.]

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  17. A chart of my NASDAQ 100 Timing Diagram as of Friday last week can be found at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25691210/NDXTimingDiagram.gif . The planetary curves aren't labelled but the chart should give you an idea on how I plot planetary lines with price for backdrop. Unfortunately, the controls at the top didn't save to GIF very well and you can't clearly see what I have there.

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    1. Thanks Jay, this looks a lot like the plots from the Astrological Investing Blog I have linked in My Blog List.

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    2. Hi Jay , have installed dropbox but cannot find your diagram what going wrong
      Regards pieter

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